Peace

I thought you were joking, and I did laugh, but I didn't say anything because I didn't want to make an ass of myself, hah. But anyway, yeah, I agree.

I am so glad that's how you took it, I debated about leaving that comment, but I thought that you would understand what I meant. I'm glad you did… Peace.

Peace can be accomplished it's just that we need people to be active about the situation… you can't just sit back and say peace and assume it will just happen. We need action, John Lennon is a good example. He did things to get peace and many Americans didn't like it but did it stop him? Many people just want things to happen but don't want to work for it. Yes John had finances to back him up but he took the money out of his own pocket in order to do something about it, that says something.

agreed.

I totally agree with M_eanwhile, as already discussed here below some days ago.

If you think that being pro-peace is something different than being anti-war (which to me is the same), I wonder what a 'pro-peace' person is supposed to do, when their own government decides to take part in a war and attack a country for weird reasons and  this person disagrees - as any non-violent person should.

If they won't go to anti-war rallies, how will they show they disagree? What does 'peaceful action' involve?

I think some 'action' is necessary, otherwise we can just keep doing our own thing ignoring what is going on in the world... but that's not really peaceful, I think...

(twitches at the concept of a very messy, currently dormant philosophical debate being reawakened)

haha, at least this time I'm not alone.

Sure, you're not....;)

You've summed up very well what I think in your previous posts, Meanwhile!

I am with you, girls.

I have been to many so called 'anti-war' rallies, and it was absolutely about peace.... Plus, I can't see the point of discussing about the questions of terms... why should 'anti' sound as negative and 'pro' as positive?  If something bad exists, you have to be anti-it!!

It would be like saying that NO is always negative and YES is only positive. That depends on the question you are answering to.... Are you a peaceful person? YES - Are you a violent person? NO

I'm just saying there will be fewer smashed in store front windows at a Pro-Peace rally than an Anti-war rally. If you disagree, that is fine, but I understand what you're saying because it isn't that difficult. I don't believe that what I said is difficult either. Frankly I'm getting a little annoyed because it sounds like you're trying to argue just to argue, and I get bored with repeating myself.

I understand both sides of this little dispute (they both make sense)… let's not cause any animosity though. Peace and love ^^ I like to meditate when i become angered… it really does seem to help; it helps with my patience and also to pass time by…

I actually thought that this was settled on page 2? BTW Good point Vano. It's funny that all of the anti-'s can't seem to let it go while all of the pro-'s are quite content with their points of view. In closing-I heard this saying once: "What you resist persists."

Vano and Panda^_^ you both made great comments.

What?! I let go! I just because Clarabella and Nick added their comments doesn't mean anything. And I never said I was anti- I said you can't deny it.  That was pretty lame of you to say, because technically, by you adding that comment, you're persisting with the arguement. You just chose a different direction to take.

You're content with your point of view, eh? So what does this say, that you'd rather go about with your point of view and not hear others out? Good way to keep an open mind. 

i thought you said you let go…

I did… then he said that. Obviously. Maybe you'll let someone accuse you of something wrongfully, but I won't.

Off with her head!

This so cool! The peace category has one of the most intense discussions going! Oh, and M_eanwhile… I purposely did not mention names, I accused nobody of being anything. Remember, I am being peaceful through all of this.

rather ironic, wot…the war on the peace category and all…

You accused people, that's obvious and no way getting around it because all one has to do is scroll down and read, but like you said, you left out names. And if you didn't want certain people to take offense to it, you probably should have made it more clear who it was directed at. It was implied, and you know that. I don't see anything wrong with discussing and disagreeing, but I would rather you didn't accuse me or anyone else for that matter of things they did not do. Even if it was a implication, it's still just as strong. If you had wished to remain peaceful, I don't think you should have said such a comment.

Exactly what i was thinking.

I said off with her head!

That will be your duty Justin.

Justin!? How could you?!

I just bought 3 pints of Ben and Jerry's Pistachio ice cream and 1 Jamaican Pinapple.

Now it's you guys sounding not very peaceful towards M_eanwhile.... apologise to her!

I see nothing wrong in discussing under the Peace issue, as we were mainly discussing on 'different approaches' and questions related to terms. Nothing serious, in my opinion.... and we can all learn from each other.

So take it easy....

In my language, and therefore in my country, whenever there has been a rally against a war, it has always been called - by media and everyone else - a 'pro-peace rally'. For instance, the 2003 rally against military intervention in Iraq was named a pro-peace rally, and I am sure no windows were smashed..... . That is. Sometimes it can even be a matter of cultural references.

So, it really makes no sense talking about words and what they mean. Let's discuss about actions and events which are meant to work for peace. That's better, in my opinion.

Hey, and be nicer to Hope, guys. She's a clever girl. There should be more people like her, actually.

Unfortunately...as human beings...we can't achieve peace...so sad.  We constantly have to prove who's the best of the best by fighting which eventually leads to war.

In order to protect, one must fight.  In order to achieve peace, there must be a battle. 

I want there to be peace, but unfortunately that doesn't seem possible.  I don't like war, but if someone or something threatens my country, then I'll take up arms against it/them.

Check out the songs Competition Song by Pennywise and Right In Two by Tool.  Really deep, especially the one by Tool.  You can guess what they are about.

Resist not evil.

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@Vano: In the bath for two hours? Didn't your fingers get all wrinkly? Well if you were reading I guess not. Hey, trying to figure out what you want to do for the rest of your life is pressure enough, but all in one night? If you have any revelations, please let me know, I'm still trying to figure that out too!

Oh, I know the whole "off with her head" thing was a kid, the whole "Justin?! How could you?!" was a joking thing too. No worries. And, I have every full intentions of replying to you. I just don't like to send mediocre replies, so I think about what I say first, you know? But anyways, I as well sat the bath for a long period of time, but I was reading a book called "The Fuck-Up," which is a really good book, I know you'd like it.

I figured that much. This was the first in a long time I've finished a novel in less than 48 hours. Maybe I'll go check your book out.

I think things will run smoother if I just figure it all out now.

I still have 3 years to figure out what i want to do with my life but it seems to be going by so fast and there are so many different lives i want to live so many thing s i want to do so many things i want to experiance… All those days i was just waiting to end so i could "grow up" i wasted and i feel like i wasted a lot of time that i could have been using to get to know myself but i didn't use so here i am but who am i?

Actually it's "experience" Panda. Revenge is so sweet.

...an interesting comment to see on the peace page…

Bravo Seiva! Excellent point, the only thing you really have to decide what you want to do for the rest of your life is to be happy. It may sound corny, but with that happiness you will find what you were meant to do in life. The choices and possibilities are endless.

Ya know what? I am probably mad but what if we brainwashed people into a peaceful state? I am not exactly sure how it is that we would do this, maybe subliminal messages i don't know… we could even do a controlled experiment… i am not on drugs i promise… just something i came up with at 2:40 this morning.

For one thing, if you think the government is going to lead that operation, I may remind you, this is a Capitalist country. Secondly, you'd set a precedent, and the same would happen when the next leader wanted something from the masses, except under his rules.

Peace without Free Will? I'll pass, thanks…

Now that i look back at this it is quite ridiculous... like i said 2:40 am woke from a dream, very odd dream at that. Forget i mentioned it.

You know what? No! I will not just forget it! Are we supposed to just stand by and allow comments like this to go virtually unnoticed?

but if free will kills people (aka war etc) and brainwashed people are happy, is free will really better? i mean, if everyone's happy...

just saying.  i do think free will is better, but it's a point worth investigating, methinks

we have the free will, but how many people use it?

and even if people need to be brainwashed to make war (which i don't agree with), that doesn't mean that brainwashing causes war...what about brainwashing someone to believe that all forms of violence are bad?

Are you truly happy though? Or are you just brainwashed to believe so? You'd never really know if you were happy. By brainwashing you, they'd be telling you that what you're feeling is happiness, doesn't mean that it is happiness. Sure, you stop violence, but do you? Not everyone would react the same way to the brainwashing, we're all different and we all have different reactions to things. Also, like Vano said, it would just lay down the foundation for more brainwashing. As people in government changed, their desires will change.

Brainwashing may be the wrong word. But one of the essential weapon in every war is propaganda. If you are to young to remember just google for kuwaiti incubator or nurse Nayirah. And the people in the goverment may change but the interests they stand for will remain the same. 

ah yeah, they make us study the whole propaganda thing in history. How it was used to gain support for one's own country, used to make people hate the enemy, and so on and so on.