Nihilism

Book recommendations?

Yeah, The Sound and the Fury. In which the father is a nihilist, and I'm going to have to say that you're going to disagree with what my teacher taught me about this as well. Hahaha.

An extreme standpoint necessary to reach the middle path. I’m just saying, but I develop my views for something particular. You might want to cut the apron strings with this teacher.

At first I thought it was awful. I thought about it some more, and decided it wasn't. After learning about some more stuff, I'm again deciding that it's awful.

Well, not so much awful, just.... I'm not sure what word I"m looking for. But it's probably a negative one.

And not because of the whole "there is nothing" thing... it's much more than that.

Do you think you can arrive at a simple conclusion for anything? Especially something so broad as Nihilism?

Exactly, something so broad as Nihilism isn't going to have a simple conclusion. Things like this are complex and take more than just confused emotions and reading silly articles to know anything real about it.

To be honest, an article will just complicate your views, it couldn't be much simpler. All we are now and all that surrounds us is all there is. It ends with death. You can draw other conclusions from that, but Nihilism is just that.

Look at Kittyn. She's a Nihilist. She's also a peace activist. Believing in nothing doesn't have anything to do with morals. I'm sort of in the middle, riding the wave, though I'm in no way balanced. Then there is probably someone who has this bested who is perhaps, to a casual passerby, the polar opposite of Kittyn. We are not a group. Nihilism has no party.

Like I said, it's not just the "there is nothing" thing. I'm not really sure why you bring up Nihilism having no party or not being a group, I'm not criticizing. And, I also, that's why I said you can't really draw a simple conclusion on Nihilism from just silly articles, so yeah, I agree on that part.

I'm going past the definition when I'm saying that Nihilism is awful, I mean if Nihilism was simply all we are now and all that surrounds is all there is and it ends with death, you would just call that atheism.  

Atheism denies a God. Nihilism denies anything else, any meaning or point to the universe. It's just random and often cruel.

Some may see it as negative. Some may see it as a brutal truth. I personally feel like I would be lying to myself to accept anything else. Not that I completely deny any possibilities, but I think when facing up to reality it's highly doubtful life is all that significant in the grand scheme of things.

Nihilism to me is indifference, selfishness, and pessimism. I mean, the belief that theer is nothing and no point to the universe is fine, I mean, I could pretty much agree to an extent. Nihilism goes further beyond just what you believe as far as the universe. Things like values, morality, whether you should seek knowledge/truth, and so on.

Atheism denies higher powers, and also believe that the universe is random, has no point, and so on. If they believed in something other than that, then they would have to believe in something divine/higher power.

Atheism is simply the denial of a God.

Nihilism has nothing to do with indifference. Morality doesn't come into play. You are taking it a step further. Regardless, this argument is futile, and we are arguing over definitions. You can look them up if you want. I'd suggest an unbiased source such as a simple dictionary, but words are words. Anyways, if someone is indifferent and you tell them that, what does that do? Make you feel better about yourself? Once again I reference to Kittyn, she has bested Nihilism and has done ten times as much in her life to promote peace, apply action to theory and encourage Humanism than most anybody combined here. Is that indifference? I think not. How does any of this benefit you? What are you trying to convince anyone of?

Just please try not to take my words as hostile, and step into my shoes. Differing points are a positive.

This came from an encyclopeida:

"Nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated. It is often associated with extreme pessimism and a radical skepticism that condemns existence. A true nihilist would believe in nothing, have no loyalties, and no purpose other than, perhaps, an impulse to destroy."

Atheism is the denial of a higher power (which can be a God). Thus, they do not believe the universe as a meaning, or a purpose. That we just simply are. I'm not sure how you can disagree with that.

Just because someone calls themselves a Nihilist, doesn't make them one.

What do you mean how does any of this benefit me? It's a discussion. A discussion enourages growth and knowledge. Other then that, it benefits me in no one. You might as well and ask every single persont that's made a post about something on some forum the exact samething. What am I trying to convince anyone of? I'm just simply discussing Nihilism.  You've argued with people, you've indulged in many discussions, so don't get hostile with me just because I'm disecting something you supposedly believe. How could this possibly "make me feel better about myself"? That made no sense. I don't remember telling anyone they are indifferent, I just stated how I saw Nihilism.

If you don't want your words to be taken in a hostile way, you should be less condescending with them.

As should you. You refuse to hear a take on anothers' views on something they believe (I'm including Existentialism in on this). I'm the one who believes it. You act as if you are curious, but continue to argue that it's a pessemistic belief. If you aren't willing to benefit or learn from this conversation, it becomes an argument.

I'm arguing my viewpoint... just as you are arguing yours. You can't expect people to let you state what you believe (which you have) without giving their side. It's hypocritical. Just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean I'm arguing. I am in fact discussing.

Until of course, you attack me. Which did already a few comments below. I don't refuseto hear other people's views, I've been listening to yours and giving mine in return. That upsets you.

Explain how exactly I refused to listen to your view points? Seeing as how, I have to read them and understand them in order to even comment back. It's not that I didn't listen to them, it's that I disagreed with them.  

All I'm getting at is that I could easily go into the Republican forum and tell them everything I think is wrong with their stand point. However, I personally feel that to be dumb and insensitive, not to mention the fact that each individual is going to have a different view on the party.

LIke you said, Nihilism isn't a party. You can't take a word and make it your own. A word is created for a purose, a certain context, and with a certain definition. Even an abstract concept such as Nihilism has certian points and statements that you are completely ignoring.

If anything you're the first person to tell someone if something is wrong with their beliefs, especially if they're not following the belief correctly. So, don't call me insensitive, you'd be a hypocrite. 

I'd say you have a lack of evidence on that one.

Copy... Paste...

The world is a swollen cunt oozing with puss.

Lack evidence concerning what? That you can be insensitive? That you ignore key points in Nihilism?

I'm assuming you mean the first one because the second is obvious.

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You are a swollen cunt oozing with puss.

Now you have the first one too. Congradulations! You won!

Gasp! Yay!

Although, I already knew I had the first one, silly.

Btw, I like how you used to talk about how people who promote peace are such hypocrites because they don't practice what they preach.

I think you might want to take "Peace" off your bestuff. 

That's okay, they're listed in chronological order.

Makes sense.

I don't still feel that Bush is the "Biggest Douche In The Universe", I don't still see Natalie Portman as the "Most Beautiful Hollywood Starlet" and I don't see Kate Bush as the "Best Songwriter", not that it's any of your business.

Have no idea what that has to do with anything. I just remember us talking and you kept complaining about how people would promote peace, they'd wear peace symbols and talk against the war, and then you'd talk about how they're hypocrites because they don't practice what they preach. Well, with all these attacks, it kinda seems like you shouldn't promote peace. I mean, to result to name calling, is pretty pathetic. I wasn't trying to personally attack you until you started questioning my character just because I was debating with you. It's not like my intentions were to piss you off. 

There's a reason people- more than me- get irritated with you fast. Aside from your "Tone", you have a very different definition of discussing than most people.

And you think the same doesn't apply to you? Besides, I don't know who else you'd be talking about since we have no one in common. To be honest, you have no one to back up your claim. I mean sure, people might have gotten upset with me, but everyone is going to have people that get upset with them, at some point. What you're claiming, is kinda ridiculous and silly. You actually think that because I've debated with people over the internet you have a logical argument with that statement? Please, don't kid yourself.

True, I can be aggressive, but I never once attacked your character, or even you personally, until you did so first. That is a fact. All I did was state my viewpoint. I've reread what I said below, and I didn't even carry a hateful tone to begin with. All I did was disagree with you. Don't lay blame on me just because you're sensitive. Advice: steer away from debates, someone whose actually an expert at them will come along one day and eat you alive. Especially if you resort to "you are a swollen cunt oozing with pus" in order to when your argument. 

That's the difference between you and me. My desire was not to "when" (I assume you meant "win").

I did, thanks.

And, it's not my desire to win. It's my desire to just state my points without being attacked. Someone is going to win a debate, no matter what.

Like I tried to say, it's not my intentions to piss you off or fight with you. I do in fact think you are very smart. But I also think you're quick to take things I say as something personal.  

I wish I wasn't a Nihilist.

Don't you two realize that you love eachother?!

LOL At how many times you two commented on the topic...there is no winner, debate or not, it's philosophy, argue for fun not for ego there is no subjective right. Much love.