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Religions don’t deserve special treatment
im christian dont judge me
That’s the point of the article. You guys aren’t getting a break anymore, because of your silly superstitions.
um….i think jesus is real and thats not really a superstition persay
we dont need a break tho, we got Jezus
yea! wut boomstam said!!
Christianity is a false religion. If you don’t follow the Flying Spaghetti Monster he will get mad and hurt you. You have to believe me, I’ve seen it happen!
regardless of whether you think the beliefs are true, you have to admit that christianity is a net gain for society.
No as I have outlined in the George W comments, I don’t think Christianity is a net gain for society. Anything that promotes ignorance, irrationality, and hampers science is ultimately destructive. The most important issue of our time is the environment. You would be hiding under a rock if you didn’t know the latest reports. We’re is the Christian movement for the environment? There is none, because Christians are too hung up on homosexuals and evolution. Though I imagine you guys would be getting a hard on from the earths destruction – everything in Revelations is coming true!
jojo: “Anything that promotes ignorance, irrationality, and hampers science is ultimately destructive”
And not just ultimately destructive, but immediately destructive.
we disagree on whether that properly describes christianity.
jojo: “The most important issue of our time is the environment”
If we can’t have agreement on something, at least we can have clarity:
You believe the most important issue is preserving our environment (AKA limiting pollution).
I believe the most important issue is (and has always been) human evil (the evil that men do).
“You would be hiding under a rock if you didn’t know the latest reports.”
I’m aware of them.
Most of them have a bias, a prejudice, an agenda.
“[Where] is the Christian movement for the environment? There is none”
Not true. The typical Christian is also an environmentalist. Not a radical left environmentalist, but a more conservative, more moderate environmentalist.
The more Christians you meet, the more you will realize this is true.
Have you listened to Michael Medved? Read any of his books? Heard him lecture? I have. He’s a very enthusiastic, energetic, and motivated “tree hugger,” and anti-pollution advocate. He’s also, while not a religious Christian (he’s Jewish), very pro-Christian in that he allies himself with Christians.
“Christians are too hung up on homosexuals and evolution”
Not true. Christians have definite opinions about homosexuality, evolution, and many other issues. But I would not say they are “hung up” on them. In many cases, Christians (and other conservatives) are reacting to the activism of liberals like yourself.
That’s the case with homosexuality. The faction that brought the issue to the legal table is your side, the liberal left. Liberals want to change the laws so that government endorses homosexuality. Christians and conservatives want the government to remain neutral about homosexuality – neither to endorse it nor condemn it.
That’s also the case with this very forum page. This page was set up with the intent of celebrating something – Christianity. I support that intent.
You, who are anti-christian, were the first to post a comment on this page, a criticism of christianity (and not a constructive one). You went on to post several more comments hostile to christianity before I started posting my thoughts, which, I submit, are more reasonably-stated and civil.
the poster who appears more “hung up” is you.
Wholesale rejection of Christianity is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
the forgiveness is amazing, and i can’t wait until judgement day, when He will finally create the new earth and the new heaven, and there will be peace, and all of the nonbelievers will get what they deserve…
haha okay that sounds dramatic… but aint that the truth… His love is amazing
the big underlying question here is “does “god” exist”? the answer? to be open minded is the best way to find the answer because if you belive then die nd find out theres nothing you r gonna b upset but if u dont belive then die you will have to face the wrath of “god” and also wat about other religions u dont belive in. say u die a devoute cristian and the find out the u have belived wrong because u see not “god” but somthing else from another religion. soo the best thing to do is not argue about who is rite and who is wrong but remain open minded :]
the best part in this is, christans are safed by the law of the islamitics. otehrwise, islamitics arnt safed by the God of the christians.
I wouldn’t deny “evil” is not the most important issue. But the environment is critical (and I’m talking about carbon emissions). Politicians are debating whether it acceptable that it is ok for world wide temperature to go up a few degrees. This is a case of russian roulette with the gun pointed at humanity. At best we lose many species of animal, coastal land and weather related destruction. At worst we have runaway greenhouse effect like Venus. It is irresponsible to play this kind of game with these kind of stakes. To say climate scientists “have a bias, a prejudice, an agenda” is an irresponsible statement repeated by the ignorant. Legitimate Climate scientists are unanimous. The media has been split on this – but they are not experts and have interests behind them. This issue shouldn’t be partisan. It affects everyone.
That’s news to me to say that Conservative Christians want the government to be neutral on gay rights. Christians ultimately want a fascist theocracy – separation of church and state be damned.
I wouldn’t deny that I’m anti-Christian. But to be fair, i’m anti-religion, and i’m anti-dogma. I think we should treat religion like we treat sex – keep it in the home, private and away from children.
whats it dude. dont think christians from your bible belt are the same as every christians on the planet.
in fact as christian i rather meet up with gays then with those kind of christians.
it seems in de US the fanatics are growing while in the EU it all gets pure. pure bassed on what the real intensions where of Jezus.
fanatic atheist or christians….are all the same.
Banning openly gay men from the military isn’t “neutral on the subject of homosexuality”. Preventing stable, responsible adults from adopting children, either seperately or as part of a partnership, is not “neutral on the subject of homosexuality”. Refusing to legally acknowledge gay and lesbian marriages is not “neutral on the subject of homosexuality”, either.
I’m not going to open the can of worms of “what Christians want”, because I doubt I’m on safe ground generalizing the beliefs of 2.1 billion people living in radically different cultures across every corner of the globe. In the name of non-discrimintion, I won’t hold anyone’s beliefs or belief tradition against them as long as those beliefs are positive, or at least relatively harmless, in the sense of measurable human impact in the mortal world. I will not be dispensing get-out-of-jail-free cards for those specific Christians who feel they should be permitted to hate/control/oppress gay people.
Boomstam – I understand there are moderate Christians. The Christians in Europe are not pure, but benign. They have no power, and no power to do damage. The problem is moderate religion gives cover to fundamentalists, and allows it to thrive.
how do you say no power. when the pope lives in europe?
and when few months back the cristian progressive party win in election time? but then again. lucky they dont have power to damage.
i understand about the fundamentelist. but coudnt that be a counter action from the anti-religigion-fanatics? they sure didnt “stand up” by random?
What power does the pope outside of the vatican? He gets air time, but when does that become policy in Europe? He doesn’t have a huge force like the US, he can’t manipulate the UN. Christian progressive party in Europe – who cares? Europe is diverse (one of its strengths).
but coudnt that be a counter action from the anti-religigion-fanatics? they sure didnt “stand up” by random?
Sorry I don’t follow.
the pope remains one of the most powerfull man on earth.
his words reach billions of ppl.
btw i dislike the pope, any pope.
anyways you should keep informed. it wasnt only the netherlands were christian partys won. forgot about miss merkel??? the democratic system in most parts of the EU or so totally diffrent then that of the US, you really cant compare it. there isnt just “one” club that can win elections. and besides the cristian partys in the EU arnt only for christians. and again. im glad EU doenst hold fanatic christians like the US does. www.godtube.com scares the hell out of me.
what i ment with the last lines: it needs action to create reaction. nothing happens randomly. Remember what great person said that?
in communism/socialism religion can be practised in your own home but not outside of your home so it duznt mess the world up
humans mess with the world.
mabey its cappitalism that messis up the world anyways i like buddhism cuz they nice nd dont force there’y religion on people
The pope does reach a lot of people, but he has limited influence politically. I’m not disagreeing with you about Europe. As I said, it is so diverse and full of so much history that I think there is a “memory” to prevent right wing extremism or fundamentalism.
It seems though when you get many religious or fundamentalist together you get radical fascism. More correctly, anything dogmatic is dangerous.
The recent atheist movement is a reaction to fundamentalists trying to bring their nutty views into the mainstream. It wasn’t a blip on the radar until recently. There has been an increase political movement in christian circles because christianity is in a death spiral.
The truth is, there is not a person on Earth who has a good reason to believe that Jesus rose from the dead or that Muhammad spoke to the angel Gabriel in a cave. And yet billions of people claim to be certain about such things. As a result, Iron Age ideas about everything high and low — sex, cosmology, gender equality, immortal souls, the end of the world, the validity of prophecy, etc. — continue to divide our world and subvert our national discourse. Many of these ideas, by their very nature, hobble science, inflame human conflict and squander scarce resources.
cant agree on the dead spiral you talked about. in the netherlands there aint fundamentalist christian groups. and yet, look at the figures and facts. this country holds the most church leavers last 40 years.
Nothing dangerous about christians, if you cant see that you should read more.
the tape about “jezus camp” is shocking and not right. But its just people who abuse religion for power. And face it, atheistic people also abuse lots of things for power.
The political movement you talk about is created by you. By calling it nutty views. why dont you speak about “views i disagree with” The harder you fight christians the more fundamentalistic they got. The more you reason with them the more profit you make.
if christianity left every one alon the world wud be a nice place christians are always forcing there opinions on people and always try to say shit like earth was made in 7 days (yeah really…) and always are offensive towards uvva religions
In the same paragraph you said that you don’t believe in the christian death spiral, but your country has the most church leavers in the last 40 years. Am I missing something?
There are many dangerous things about Christians and this article answers that: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-harris15mar15,0,5899452.story Even moderate Christians.
And face it, atheistic people also abuse lots of things for power.
Can you site one example of this? An example of a non-dogmatic Atheist (a tautology) that abuses power?
So you don’t think there is a christian right political movement in the US? Maybe you should read up more.
most church leavers yeah totally but the ones tht r left get crazier nd more fucked up n u nevva bin to an RE lesson in my country all we ever do is chrstianity and they r offensive to non belives/ other religions. also i think yu r missing the point
Jup your missing the point. because all those church leavers didnt leave cuz of the cultural aspects. They just go with the flow. christians on the outside and not on the inside. when something shrink it doesnt mean it will be gone someday. so nothing dead about that.
when do you gona think for yourself. seems like you let other people think before you.
china, russia, communism, wallstreet. but hey. like i said before. human beeings are wrong. christans and atheist.
dont understand the hate you bring upon christians, like we are special?
when did i said that? :S
luckely mine country got a real tiny right winged christian movement.
Got a feeling your not really educated after reading your last post.
First paragraph: wtf?
Second paragraph: double wtf? Coming from a Jesus freak – now I’ve heard it all.
I said non-dogmatic Atheist – China and Russia are politically dogmatic. Do you know what dogma means? Wallstreet? wtf? I give all religions a hard time.
when did i said that?
The political movement you talk about is created by you.
Educated? More wtf. Make some sense, please.
yeah just a denial. offcrouse…...
you must be jalours seeing an openminded Jezus freak.
what you dont understand you can ask about. dont “wtf” me.
openminded Jezus freak
well to be honest we shud all e worshiping nature because it gave us life and keeps us alive, every1 just live in the woods th we’d all get along because we’d have to share materials nd shit .
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Lmao @ “I love cheese.”
I would believe if it was instinct rather than having to be taught by fallible people. I would also believe if it was the only religion but there are more people on the planet which believe something else. I cannot believe a god would condemn so many for no reason other than upbringing. I also would believe if there was a point to god and life. I would also believe if god wanted us to live compassionately and to live with no hate or malice to other religions/races or society.
But his words contradict and confuse in the bible- beware false prophets- Peace to you all. Forgive and give thanks. I will pray for you all.
I’m not the typical Chrisitan, I am a democrat who is for Gay marriage and the death penalty haha, so lets just say I think for myself.
lol, you are sure you aint european?
Damn, I wish I was European. Can I live with you? lol
can you handle the liberalism?
we sort of invented gay marriage but we also have the highest number of sexual animal abuse.
Sexual animal abuse?
yeah, its grosse but i believe some people cant handle freedom. and for that reason they will misbehave.
Like the aidsparty few weeks back. gangbanging gays that infect other gays with aids. ill bet that wont happen in the bible belt.
by the way im not shocked from anything anymore. but i just think its disguisting.
ow the animal abuse isn’t legal since a few months now. there just wasn’t any law for it lol. luckely now there is.
Wow, that’s terrible. And I thought I wasnt shocked by anything.
So still wanna life here? :)
How do you know that we are not being deceived when believing? It says in the bible beware false prophets, don’t add to bible, do not worship other deities. Why then is there so many Christian denominations? Is roman catholicism right or COE or Anglican, protestant? Born Again? I am too scared to follow them. Peace and love to ALL unconditionally. Where does it say that in the bible? Peace, Harmony and Respect to you all.
well we are beeing decieved in our believings. Thats one part of christianity. Offcourse the bible speaks of love and peace for all unconditionally. that is the main law.
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